TIME: Let's talk about retirement.
O'Connor: I need to retire from retirement.
TIME: It's that relaxing?
O'Connor: It's just a nightmare. (Laughs) I just talked to a friend of mine who said, "I need to send you a plaque for your wall that says, 'No is a complete sentence.'" I think she's right. That simple two-letter word would save me a lot of trouble.
TIME: What are you saying yes to?
O'Connor: Too many things and they come at you one at a time, so you aren't aware of how it's building. Cumulatively, it's kind of a nightmare. I've agreed to too many speeches. These are things I've agreed to a year or two ahead. You say, 'Oh, sure, I'll come to your conference,' or 'I don't mind making remarks on X,' and all of a sudden it's there. And in the meantime you've agreed to something the day before or the day after, and they're in different places. I'm on several boards, and so it's difficult to fit it all in.
TIME: What else are you working on?
O'Connor: I'm participating in a new foundation that our nation is involved in, a civic society building project in the Middle East and North Africa. It's called the Foundation for the Future. About 12 or 13 nations have contributed money to have some projects, and our nation has contributed more than most. Each nation is having one board member. It's an important thing I've agreed to do and it matters to the country.
TIME: Is there one overarching theme you want to focus on during your retirement?
O'Connor: For the immediate future, I've been very concerned about the number of verbal attacks on judges and a few physical attacks as well from time to time. I have felt that the public concern has followed the concerns expressed by various legislators both in Congress and state legislatures, concerns about so-called activist judges. I suspect when people hear legislators so often publicly denounce activist, godless judges that people start thinking that's the situation. It's very much a concern to me.
It matters enormously to a successful democratic society like ours that we have three branches of government, each with some independence and some control over the other two. That's set out in the Constitution. The framers of the Constitution were so clear in the federalist papers and elsewhere that they felt an independent judiciary was critical to the success of the nation. Now you are seeing proposals in Congress to cut budgets of courts in an effort to in effect punish them for things the legislators don't like. There's a resolution pending to give grounds for impeachment if a judge cites a foreign judgment. You see a proposal for an inspector general for judges. You see a proposal on the ballot in November in North Dakota called Jail for Judges that would remove judicial independence and set up a mechanism to punish judges criminally and civilly for erroneous decisions. This is pretty scary stuff.
This couldn't be more important to me. I'm a judge. It seemed to me that it was critical to try to take action to stem the criticism and help people understand that in the constitutional framework, it's terribly important not to have a system of retaliation against decisions people don't like. TIME: So what do you do actively to counter this?
O'Connor: I am co-chairing a conference sponsored by Georgetown University and the American Law Conference at the end of this month. We've invited opinion-makers and leaders from around the country to come to that conference and talk to us about what they see and what they think. Perhaps we'll have some follow-up conferences.
TIME: So your husband is seeing even less of you than before?
O'Connor: He is at the moment. Now he wonders if he's still married.
TIME: How is his health these days?
O'Connor: His physical health is pretty good. His mental condition, with the Alzheimer's, is a continuing deterioration. He doesn't remember things. There is no real solution to that at this point.
TIME: Do you still have time to follow the work of the court?
O'Connor: I get a copy of all the decisions. But I can't be involved in it, so my best bet is to read what they've done. I read it and I do think, Hmmh, I agree with that or I don't agree with that.
TIME: And how about your colleagues on the court? Do you still see them?
O'Connor: Of course. During the term of the court, I stop by and have lunch with the rest of them like we always have. There are many occasions to see each other, and I will continue that. We all get along very well and like each other. We all meet together. We don't make it a little one-on-one deal. It's a group thing.